Offshore Fishing Reports - Understanding the new grouper closure.*new info* - I e-mailed Dr. Brian Cheuvront this morning, asked him to send info about why this closure happened. And how the council voted. Hopefully we will have a better understand for t
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Joined: May 02, 2008 Posts: 335 Location: Pittsboro, NC
Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject:
joe-
that doesn't really surprise me.
People for whom fishing doesn't matter voted to tighten the restrictions and people for whom it's a profession voted not to.
If you were an environmentalist, how would you vote?
I would vote to close it.
My point exactly, they won't even give us a fair chance.
I just want a fair chance, is that asking to much?
Fishing should be controlled by fishermen with
good data, Not people who think like Al Gore.
I think the environmental movement has gone too
far & needs more checks & balances, before it
ruins what built this great country.
If we held environmentalists liable for there mistakes,
instead of putting them above the law, We would be much better off. _________________ http://sneadsferrycharterfishing.com/
Yes Joe we were and it's going to get even worse. They have a whole bunch of "new regs" in store for 2009/2010 on other species and closures of fishing areas.
Until their new laws get in the pockets of some of the Special Interest Groups in Washington (As sad as that is) these clowns will continue to make laws at will and in THEIR best interest.
And there REELY isnt nothing you can do about it but be pissed off and try to adapt until you can't anymore. It's not like these are elected officials they are appointed officials.
I dont want to continue to be negative about this so I will make this my last post on the subject, because I know it is a done deal and it would be nothing short of a miracle to change any of it or the future stuff on the table.
We will just have to wait and see how it all shakes out over the next several months. Good Luck to all who choose to stay in the game. _________________ Ricky Holden
Joined: Feb 24, 2005 Posts: 233 Location: Holden Beach
Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject:
The only hope that we have on this closure is if the secretary of commerce doesn't sign off on the amendment. I wouldn't count on that though, as the secretary has signed everything that the council has presented. We all need to contact not only the members of the council, especially the 5 that voted in our favor, but also our congressman and represenitives, as well as the secretary of commerce. To some of you, this may not mean much, but to those of us that rely on fishing to provide for our families, this could mean making it or not making it. I BEG everyone with an interest in our fisheries to take action and let these folks know how you feel. _________________ Capt. Lyndon Carter
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Joined: Feb 24, 2005 Posts: 233 Location: Holden Beach
Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject:
As far as the appointments go, it is my understanding that the secretary of commerce is the one that makes the appointments. The recieve nominations from each state's governor, as well as from other parties with an interest in our fisheries. _________________ Capt. Lyndon Carter
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject: Me And McCain
We both be computer illegiterates.
I`m trying to post a link to a Maryland statement about paying another fee to saltwater fish. Help!
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National Saltwater Angler Registry
On June 11, 2008, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) Fisheries released a proposed rule on the National Saltwater Angler Registry. The proposed rule outlines the process NOAA Fisheries will use for registering saltwater recreational anglers. It also addresses the qualifications and procedures for exempting states and their anglers from the federal registration requirement.
CORE ISSUE
In order to make better management decisions regarding migratory fish, scientists need catch and effort data that is more accurate, precise and timely. The solution is to create a national registry, essentially a phonebook, of anglers to account for every person that goes saltwater fishing. This phone book of anglers will be used to reduce bias and improve the efficiency of catch and effort surveys. Instead of asking a random sample of coastal U.S. residents if they have gone fishing, an angler registry would allow NOAA to target surveys only to those Americans that have identified themselves as fishermen. For example, if you wanted a loaf of bread you wouldn’t randomly visit a hardware store or a post office. You would go straight to a grocery store. Likewise, if you want to know how the fishing is, you ask fishermen.
WHO
With some exceptions, anglers who fish in Maryland tidal waters, and may catch anadromous (migratory) species, will need to be registered. Some approved registry exceptions are anglers under 16 years of age, anglers who fish only on licensed charter, or guide boats, and persons who hold commercial fishing licenses or permits. Commercial fishermen and licensed charter and guide captains already provide the necessary contact information to the State.
HOW
NOAA will be using a variety of methods to register anglers with the goal of making the registration process as easy as possible. The angler registry will collect just enough information for NOAA to identify and contact a recreational fisherman about how often he or she goes fishing. This information will not be made public; it will be used only by NOAA to conduct surveys. NOAA must implement a national saltwater angler registry by January 2009, as mandated by Congress. NOAA will not collect registry fees until 2011, at which time the fees are estimated to be $15 to $25 per angler. Any fees collected as part of the national registry will revert to the National Treasury. In other words, the money will not be used to manage fisheries in Maryland.
WHAT IS DNR’s ROLE
Once NOAA issues a final decision, Maryland will be engaging with fishermen to determine the most efficient way to capture the contact information on anglers. In addition, Maryland will be working with NOAA to evaluate all exemption options and registry needs. Currently Maryland does not collect the required contact information (angler’s phone number) with a license sale, and several fishing license exemptions (e.g. boat license and coastal fishing) do not comply with the angler registry. We must think creatively about how to capture this information. The registry is cost free to Maryland anglers for two years. This time will be used to determine the best system to meet the data needs of NOAA and provide funding for restoration and fishery management in the Maryland.
I now think that my adress and state fee to fish ain`t enough. NOAA should be able to send us some mail, support the mailcarriers and do their business without charging 15-25 Dollars. Don
I've sent out a few e-mail's to some safmc members
No reply yet. I guess they don't want to talk about it? _________________ http://sneadsferrycharterfishing.com/
Here's my message to him:
-------------- Original message from "Joe Hifko" <grouperhawg>: --------------
"I became involved in the management process in the late 1980’s when I realized that recreational anglers needed a voice in management decisions," said Currin.
The majority of recreational anglers that grouper fish would have voted yes.
I wish you would have asked them.
I would have helped you.I can explain to you why it shouldn't be closed.
I'll take you grouper fishing and show you.
Nothing better then first hand knowledge.
You have seen their "science", I'll show you the facts.
Sincerely,
Capt. Joe Hifko
Rough & Ready Charters
*Capt for the Coca Cola boat for 9 years*
here is his reply.
The assessment for Gag was re done and certified by our SSC as the best available data. The council is responsible under the reauthorized Magnuson Act to end overfishing within one year of notification. The measures in Amendment 16 and the Interim Rule do that with the least socio-economic impact to the South Atlantic fishermen. I realize it hurts, but we did what was our responsibility under the law.
Joined: Feb 24, 2005 Posts: 233 Location: Holden Beach
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject:
My question about Mr. Currin's reply is where in the world did they do there assesment? Florida? Why can't they manage grouper like they do kings, with closure's where they're needed instead of across the board. Typical buearacratical bs. And what is this about with the least socio-economic impact? _________________ Capt. Lyndon Carter
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Joined: Feb 24, 2005 Posts: 233 Location: Holden Beach
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:24 pm Post subject:
do you not think shutting it down for 4 months out of the year is going to put alot of folks out of buisness, both commercial and charter boats? How about the marina's, bait and tackle shops, hotels, the list goes on and on with who this is going to effect. _________________ Capt. Lyndon Carter
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