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kprincesr · Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:11 am Post subject: C2C Marine Data Center Software

I have an old C2C software program that had a really great feature called SeeBottom. SeeBottom is great for mapping the ocean floor if it will run. The original computer the program was installed on was Windows 95. I would like to run it on a PC with XP although I can't get past the registration screen. If anyone has ben successful running this program and can help me, I would appreciate it. It seems the company is out of business that sold it some years ago.
Thanks

Capt_Dave · Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:19 am Post subject:

I still have C2C running on my other machine. Excellent idea that was before it's time.

What you need to do it run it in "Compatibility Mode"

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/appcompat.mspx

Let me know if that works for ya.

Dave
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kprincesr · Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:38 am Post subject:

The program came up missing dll files. I wonder if there is a way to go directly to the seebottom feature on the CD through a back door.

Capt_Dave · Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:15 am Post subject:

It wants old dll's that is why it can not find them. Did you read through running it in the mode I linked you too. It should run no problem once you turn it to Compatibility mode.

Dave
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kprincesr · Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the tips. I tried what you suggested. The compatability site would not function. I changed the settings on the install to run in 95 compatability mode, still to no avail. I was asked to reinstall my XP after tinkering with it a bit.
The software did cause system problems when first used and the error messages continued every time I booted up. I guess what I really need is to get a new version of the same type of software. Does the MapTech software work about the same. I really liked getting waypoints and numbers as they worked to put us on productive ledges from the information that was available from searching the bottom depths at home.
I really appreciate your help with this
Kelly

Capt_Dave · Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:55 pm Post subject:

I would look at Maps Unique.

http://www.mapsunique.com/ev/index.html

Be sure to tell Benny we sent you.

Also have you looked at the I-map here on the site?

It has the Coastal Reflief Model on it which is excellent along with the SST's and other goodies. I am a little short on numbers on the map.

Dave
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kprincesr · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:24 pm Post subject:

Does Maps unique have the similar coastal relief that C2C seebottom has? I have looked and explored with the version you have online although it does not have the same features quite like I was looking for. The data is similar to the information I was hoping to find. Again thank you for you help, time and this forum.
Kelly

Capt_Dave · Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:46 pm Post subject:

MU looks a lot like the print addition but with a bunch of cool goodies. If you are new to the area offshore it is a great place to start.

Tell me about what you want out of the map I have online?

Are you looking for numbers? Looking at Bottom Features? I am in the active process of working on the I-map (I got side tracked.....LOL). Tell me what you want and you might get some of it.

Dave
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kprincesr · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:26 am Post subject:

What I found most interesting was just slowly moving the mouse over an area and getting the depth changes, marking those spots and getting the numbers for planning a fishing trip. I was amazed at the accuracy of what would come up on the pc and what we would find when we got to where we set for our trip based on that information. You may know what I am referring to when working with seebottom.. The really neat thing was the speed this could happen in. The area we were working at the time was usually just north of the FP shoals, wr4. Now our group works the LB side. I like your map online and look forward to it getting even better.
Thanks again
Kelly

Capt_Dave · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:21 am Post subject:

I know exactly what you are talking about with SeeBottom. I used the same software way back when. It was good stuff.

Let me tell you the Good, Bad and the Ugly about what I have online and what others do online.

There are 2 different ways of doing things online. Server Side or Client Side. I will refer to these as SS and CS. Both of these have there place online. They both do some good things and some things not so good.

CS Maps. You have seen these online. You can roll your mouse across the map and the depth and Lat and Long appear in the menu. The good thing about this is exactly what you were just talking about....getting to roll them slowly across the map and you can see the information right there...right now.
They are made using JavaScript. You take a picture and geo-reference it. Say the top left corner is this X Lat and Y long....the top right is X and Y.....the bottom left is X and Y and the bottom right is X and Y. The script (program) figures out the distance (in pixels) between top left and top right and what the corresponding lat and long would be for each pixel along the way. This is what gives you the Lat and Long as you roll the mouse. (The rolling display of Lat and Long that I use works about the same way) DepthÃ¢â‚¬Â¦..They take the same image (It is just a picture) and assign values to the various colors. To keep this simple we will call them all different colors where is reality they are usually various shades of blue. What you do is say Blue = 100 ft, Green = 101, Yellow = 102, red = 103 and so on. (remember we are calling them different colors when they are really various shades of blue) as you move across the map with the mouse the computer figures out what color it is passing over the top of and displays the corresponding value that is written into the script. Here is where this gets interesting. The problem with doing things CS is inaccuracies. Because the image is geo referenced in pixels the lat and long lie. Because the values are assigned to a color....you get the value of the color....not the value of the depth. ( kind of like making a copy of a copy)
The reason I know all about this is I looked long and hard at doing my maps this way. (When I started this I really really wanted to do it this way) We even made one as a trial to see how well we could make it work with the data we are using. The data itself is pretty accurate and the resulting map that we made just could not display the accuracy that the data source had.

So we switched and went to SS.

The maps you get here are all generated SS. (With the exception of the rolling Lat and long, Always click to get an accurate Lat and Long for a feature on my maps) When you look at my maps you are looking at colored data. (The colors are assigned to the data, not the data assigned to the colors) Let me give you an example. Since you were interested in depths lets talk about the Coastal Relief Model. (this is a little oversimplified to make it easier to understand) The model itself is nothing more than a excel table with 3 cells. Lat, Long, Depth. ThatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s it. When we display a map for you we pull the extent (Lat and Long at the corners) we query the database for the Lat, Long, Depth in-between the corners. Then we assign colors to the values. It is those values that you are seeing on the map that have had a color assigned to them. This is the major difference between how things are done between SS and CS. In CS you assign the value to the color, in SS we assign color to the value. This is so that we do not pollute the values. The bad part of that is that we can not display the values with out going back to the database to get the value. That is why you have to click on the map. It is going back to the database and getting the value assigned to X lat and Y long. (the real X and the Real Y not the one displayed in the rolling Lat and Long) What you get here is as accurate as the data being used. In our case we are using the Coastal Relief Model which is science grade data that is as accurate as there exists in the world today. There is not a map, there is not a program there is not a way of doing it that is any more accurate than what we are doing right here. The big draw back is you have to click to get the data.

The SST's and other maps we have here are the same way. They are not "Pretty Pictures" as they are called in the mapping trade. They are all colorized data. I spent a GREAT deal of CASH to make sure that everything we have done here is as accurate as possible.

I will give you an example. Sitting beside of me is a testing server. I dumped my entire GPS onto the depth map. I was SHOCKED at how close it really was to what the map showed color wise. Where it showed the change in color.....there was my number.

If I wrote software for computers, (I would have no clue) what I have right now could do everything SEEBottom used to do plus some. To try to do it online would not work because of the limitations in bandwidth and those limitations inherent to the internet.

If I recall the model is 3000 data points by 3000 data points per square mile. How long do you think that would be to download a map of NC and SC. Then put 10 users trying to do the same thing all at once....grid lock. (This could be done with JavaScript as well but the download times and server load keep us from even trying)

I hope that helped. Sorry you have to click to get the value. That is just the way it works.

I wish everyone would tell me what they want out of these maps so I can try to make them better. Some things I can do something about and some things I cannot.

Dave

(I am going to add this to the FAQ section for future reference)
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Garry · Ol'Salt Joined: Apr 05, 2004 Posts: 663

Good reading Dave, you keep this up and we'll have to change your name from Capt Dave to Tech-na-Geek Dave. Laughing

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OffLine · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:40 am Post subject:

While on this subject. ....

I have BlueWater FishFinder that I purchased a license for.
I have now changed PCs and when it asked for the new password, no can do as there is no one at BWFF to call.

Does anyone know if they ever posted a global password to be used by those that purchased the license ??

Thanks,
Roger

Capt_Dave · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:06 am Post subject:

That would not work Offline. The security that it uses is hardware based. By that I mean the code you have to give it is dependant on what hardware your machine has in it. It is much like the XP stuff is now. If you change your computer....you have to go get a new code! WHICH SUX IMHO!

Dave
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OffLine · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:18 am Post subject:

Yeah... thats what I figured Dave.

I have gotten the possibles down to 8 to the 8th power for a 15 digit password. So it should be 1 of just less than 17 milllion possibilites.
I better get back to it.

Thanks for the response.

kprincesr · Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject:

Capt. Dave
That is outstanding information you posted here. I hope everyone can appreciate the work that you have put into the maps online as much as I have after realizing your efforts and the dedication of your resource$. I will keep working on what you have told me to find what most all of are looking for... Better fishing!
Keep up the great work!


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