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I HAVE NOT DONE TO MUCH RESEARCH, BUT HOW CAN NETTING THOUSANDS OF MENHADEN AT ONCE BE GOOD ON THE POPULATION. YOU CAN SEE THE EFFECTS AFTER THEY OMEGA COMES TO THE CAPE FEAR WATERS. AND WHY HAVE OTHER STATES PUT A STOP TO IT OR TONAGE RESTRICTIONS FAR NORTH AS CONNECTICUT AND SOUTH AS FLORIDA.
NOW, DO WE THINK THAT MENHADEN HAS A EFFECT ON NC ECONOMY.
ACCORDING TO A ARTICLE IN NC SPORTSMAN (JUNE) "THAT WITHOUT MENHADEN PREDATOR FISH SUCH AS KING MACKEREL WILL GO ELSEWHERE IN SEARCH OF BAIT. IN THE SOUTHPORT REGION THEY HOST THE US OPEN KING MAC TOURN. AND MANY OTHERS THAT ATTRACT TOURIST THAT GENERATES $272 MILLION INCLUDING $63 MILLION IN PAY ROLL. THEY SAY THE STATE GETS 1.1 BILLION FROM COASTAL TOURISM. WHAT WOULD NC GET FROM 10 OF THE 12 BOATS TAKING MENHADEN TO VIRGINIA, FISH THEY TAKE FROM NC WATERS? ZERO." IS IT RIGHT? IS IT WRONG? DO WE NEED RESTRICTIONS ON AMOUNT TAKEN FROM NC WATERS? I DONT KNOW. BUT I CAN SEE THE DIFFERNCE WHEN OMEGA COMES.
Joined: Mar 29, 2004 Posts: 4055 Location: Cape Fear, NC
Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 9:52 pm Post subject:
Omega is a BIG company. It is corporation interests, It is Big Biz. It is ALL about Money.
It is not a Tradition. It is not a way of life.
To the people that own and work at Beufort it is a way of life. Those of us that are born and raised here in the South need to protect those things that are left. We need to stand up for the folks that continue to scratch a living from the waters of NC. That does not mean that it should be a free for all. That does not mean that there should not be some limitation. On the contrary...that means that we should look at the long term effects that each effort has on the Fisheries. If it is doing fatal harm to a fishery...we need to step in and make regulation that saves the fisheries for the future. The problem is that we should not let money.....big money.....harm these people that have been working these waters all their lives. We should not harm those people just because of the "Dollar".
ReelBigOnes, I see your point....I have had this conversation on several occasions now. At some point.....it always turns to the "Dollar". I guess that is where my real deep down....in the gut.....opposition to this thing is.
Beufort Fisheries has been in biz since 1919. They have been working these waters since before just about everyone of us were born. It is a family business. The people that own it and work there do it because that is all they know to do. I would bet Whealty could sell the land under it in a week for twice what that operation makes a year. It is not about money.
I quote from Reel above,
IN THE SOUTHPORT REGION THEY HOST THE US OPEN KING MAC TOURN. AND MANY OTHERS THAT ATTRACT TOURIST THAT GENERATES $272 MILLION INCLUDING $63 MILLION IN PAY ROLL. THEY SAY THE STATE GETS 1.1 BILLION FROM COASTAL TOURISM
Reel,
Take a DEEP breathe before you read this…We are having a GOOD conversation about the issue here…..
What gives the owners in Southport or Ocean Isle or Carolina Beach or anywhere else in the state of NC any right to come and take away this man’s right to earn a living. Weather it is about $1 or $1,000,000,000. dollars…..why it the guy in Southports dollar more important that the dollar that Whealty makes for those fish? Because they can make more?
Wheatly has been in business since 1919, he was catching all these fish when Southport was a hole in the wall…he was catching these fish when the tourist found it and he was catching these fish when the business owners there decided to set up shop. Now all the sudden just because they can turn those same fish that he makes .50 cents on into $300,000,000.00 we should stand up and legislate this guy out of Biz?
No Way…Not Me!
Unless he is harming the fishery…….which from the research I have seen so far….he does not seem to be…..I think he should be left alone to finish his days.
If Omega tried to buy him out and set up shop. I think I would be joining the band wagon because then they are the new comer….and to them it is all about the dollar. IF it is about the dollar then we need to look at where that dollar can generate the most good for the state. You see that is the thing……IT is NOT about the dollar.
As long as Wheatly owns it....I think we should leave them alone as long as they are not doing damage to the fishery.
This is a HOTT issue here in Southeastern NC. If you have a point....Think it out and then lets hear it. If you do not agree with me.....that is fine....just remember to be polite about it. The idea here is bring the issues to the table and have a grown-up conversation about them.
I agree 95%. ? Do you think that if NC put limits or restrictions on this issue that it would put him out of Biz? Now on the $ side, If the menhaden are not in any danger, I think that they should have to pay a tax or buy a permit to net. Maybe the money could go to more reserch on the same type issues. NC could gain from this. Is it fare for the small man down east that makes a living on NC waters to pay state taxs on his income. This cat is gaining of NC so he should pay.
I dont want to see anyone have to fold up shop. Why has other states put a stop or limits on this issue? becouse the states are gaining $s or are the menhaden in danger in that area?
Joined: Feb 13, 2005 Posts: 31 Location: Fayetteville NC
Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 2:41 pm Post subject:
I just talked with a nice lady from UB she and her class have ben studying, the depletions of commercially fished spieces for the last 2 years. She told me her data runs from one side of the atlantic to the other on many different fish. They recieve alot of they funding and equipment through the United Nations Food and Agricultural Organization. I asked if Menhaden were deplteting, and were they being overfished she told me yes. For may reasons, from technlogy as far as finding the fishes, enviromental changes abroad from the ozone-chemiclas being in the water, to factors that where not human like el nino and warming of the waters. lack of structure oysters bed etc. In 1948 the total fish catch was about 19 million metric tons. By 1970 it rose to over 60 million metric tons. In 1972 the total fish catch was almost 77 million metric tons and in 1989, a record, 100 million metric tons was the total. This total dropped and in 1992 it was still a staggering 98.1 million metric tons.In 1994 the United Nations Food and Agricultural Organisation (FAO) announced that 13 of the world’s major fisheries are overfished. Overfishing is a major reason for the decline of cod, haddock, menhaden, halibut, herring, several species of tuna, and whale.By-catching is the name given to the process whereby unwanted fish are netted and killed. This is another reason why fish stocks have shrunk. In the 1980’s many dolphin and porpoise were killed in the process of tuna catching. In the U.S. shrimp fishery alone an estimated 156 000 metric tons of fish are discarded each year as they are too small.
She also said of some good news, that there is a rise in the fish and thanks to many of the eastern seaboard states limiting and mangement and education for the the commercials and rec. fishermen alonlg with Many with fish fdarms. What Vanessa told me alomost 1/2 of commercial fishing done is US waters is done by other countries from russia, china, norway, and brazil. Just thought I would share some information I had obtained.
Very good report Dunzie. I dont usually post in this topic and leave it to the ol salts out here to hash through. But first i would have to say that the guys Capt Dave has been speaking of in Beaufort should never be put out of business in this state. The out of state and out of country commercial guys should find wealth elsewhere and leave our tarheel waters alone forever.We have a awsome fishrie here in n.c. and should be proud of that fact and support our local guys trying to make a decent living with what the good lord has provided for our great state.As far as fish decline, i would have to say where at? Its true we dont have the fish people once spoke of way back when but it is sure better now than it was in the 80`s.
Dunzie you spoke of environmental changes, now theres the biggest key to all this, the weather and environment will never be the same as it was 20- 30 years ago, so neither will the fish stocks, but people can conserve and help to improve the environment but will they, I doubt it, i mean i was making a trip out to to the tower last fall and just as i crossed that beautifull blue water we all love to see, what do i see all down the starboard side, rusty drums partly submerged everywhere, were they innocent drums from run off or fell accidentilly of a vessel, maybe but highly unlikely, What the contents may have been who knows, but they had corrosive placards on them.
Guys its all sorts of things that hurt the fish stock the environment, but what it boils down to is its the people that hurt everything, and we cant make everyone think they way we do, so the best we can do is make the best of what we have, fight battles when we can, pray for future generations that they may be blessed with huge fish stocks and a greener cleaner world.
Joined: Feb 13, 2005 Posts: 31 Location: Fayetteville NC
Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 3:43 pm Post subject:
I Agree with you one hundred percent Probie, if Capt Dave stands up for his friends in Bueafort I side with him. But, I still believe in limits and conservation just like you do and I believe all our members think like we do. I do not want to see no one go out of buisness for any reason. And I don't think that Pogoys are on the verge of becoming dinosuars either. I just want the sea to be enjoyed by everyone and future generations to come. If that means more work on all of us, so be it. Captian Dave seems to be pretty wise on whats going on and, I think if he thought that menhaden were on the verge of becoming dinosaurs he would do whatever he could for our fishing community. Thanks
I enjoyed this post the most:
Dunzie said:" just talked with a nice lady from UB she and her class have ben studying, the depletions of commercially fished species for the last 2 years. She told me her data runs from one side of the atlantic to the other on many different fish. They recieve alot of they funding and equipment through the United Nations Food and Agricultural Organization. I asked if Menhaden were depleting, and were they being overfished she told me yes. For may reasons, from technology as far as finding the fishes, enviromental changes abroad from the ozone-chemicals being in the water"
Enviromental changes,Like building a Fishing & gas station on the water?
Or more boat traffic in general?
Chemicals put in the water,The biggest problem of all,yet,the person
who kills the enviroment by putting a gas station on the water,and fertilizes,his fishing center's grass & polutes the enviroment every day,
want's to take away somebody's job so he can make fishing better for
himself?
Just like I said Commercial fishing isn't the problem,its people who
don't understand what the "cost of living" is about.
Things are not going to be like they were 10 years ago.
The population will keep growing on the coast,and more people
will fish,and there will be less enviroments for small fish to grow up
in because of this growth,I try to do my part by not polluting our waters
in any way.Any fish i'm not going to use,I throw it back.The commercial
fishing industry uses these fish as a product,why not stop the people
that are killing the breeding grounds for these fish first?
Just an example:Lets say that:
50% of the breeding grounds are inhabitable,make them habitable again.
Joined: Feb 13, 2005 Posts: 31 Location: Fayetteville NC
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:09 pm Post subject:
Rough,
Whats the deal, I didn't say anything about shutting down anybody. All I said is there needs to be limits, I am with you 100 percent about being conservation savy just from a personal belief. It seems to me that you have a personal problem with OIFC. What have they done that makes you mad with them. I would just like to know heck I just might feel the way you feel. You can post it, or email to me. Thanks Rough.
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