Offshore Fishing Reports - Something to think about.... - I don't know if there is an answer to this or, if it is really a question that can be answered. Does anyone beside myself think of odd crap such as "why everyone makes such a big deal about a
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:00 am Post subject: Something to think about....
I don't know if there is an answer to this or, if it is really a question that can be answered.
Does anyone beside myself think of odd crap such as "why everyone makes such a big deal about a ballyhoo running true and not spinning when targeting kings or mahi"? The part I wonder about is as a commercial fisherman, we pulled SPOONS which spun and cedar plugs which are all over the place.
I would show the guys who chartered the boat how to rig baits in case of a hot mahi bite to maximize lines in the water while I was busy wiring, gaffing and setting lines. Alot of those spun or did not run "TRUE" due to inexperience and yet they still produced. I did that to get them involved a bit more than just cranking the fish in.
Now I'm not saying you should just slap a hook in a bait and toss it over, but just throwing this tid-bit out for some thought.
And before I get tore up by all the professionals out there, I have been fishing for over forty years and made a living charter and commercial fishing for about twenty of those years, so I have rigged a few baits and am fairly good at it. This is just one of those stupid questions that screams....WTF when the fish aren't bitin.
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:06 am Post subject:
Tuna,
When the fish are hungry...I think they will bite OLD shoe laces. When they are not....I think you have to do everything in your power to fool them into thinking it is dinner time.
I agree that sometimes a spinning bait will work....but not all the time. (LOL...Neither will a true bait)....but I think that a true bait has a better shot at fooling them.
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Like I said, I don't know if there is an answer to it, it just makes one think a bit.
Is a fish eating because it's hungry, pissed off, or just reacting due to instinct?
What was that Arsnio Hall use to say, besides, "I GOT GIANT PURPLE GUMS".......oh yeah...."Things that make you go...HHHMMMMMM????????" _________________ Make something idiot proof, and they build a better idiot
Joined: Jan 24, 2006 Posts: 964 Location: Sanford/Swansboro
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:01 am Post subject:
1 real down side to spinning bait and I don't care how good you think your swivels are is twisted line. Nothing worse than seeing the rod tip bow down and the line snap due to 3 or 4 wraps around the tip.
I like my baits to swim as natural as possible, I simply feel I get more strikes off a bait that is running straight and swimming good. On the other hand when King fishing I will hook 2 dead cigar minnows on 2 treble hooks and put them on a down rigger, you talk about spinning I call that rig "the party" it catches fish.
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 168 Location: Wilmington
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject:
Offshore Bob wrote:
There is no graduation from the school of fishing.......
I like that alot Bob!
I hate twist in the line, and if they're running bad you will get it... I like to try (I said try) to teach somebody I fish with something everytime I go, I fished with plenty of people like that in my younger days and I'll never forget it! But letting noobs rig trolling baits is not usually in my scope of reality unless there's a really good bite on... I spend too much time thinking about going fishing to not put my best possible effort out when we finally get on the water.
However, I do tend to think that there are many, many things that we as fisherman tend to pay attention to that is pure rubbish. Baits spinning may be one of them, but for me its "loud music on a boat scares the fish away" - Sorry not buying that one not offshore at least... Don't care about the "humming" of the downrigger cable either, I dislike cutoff DR balls more!... And I will never buy those tiny $10 swivels "so the fish, don't see them."
But letting noobs rig trolling baits is not usually in my scope of reality unless there's a really good bite on... I spend too much time thinking about going fishing to not put my best possible effort out when we finally get on the water"
finsticnt-
If you reread what I said about teaching guys to bait, it is in case of the hot bite. Some guys get the "how to" down and some just don't. Another thing you have to realize is most of the people who charter a boat don't get to fish as much as others. If guys want to spend that kind of money to go out and have a mate bring the rod to them when a fish is hooked just so they can crank the handle, great for them. IMO, the more a group of guys is involved and "schooled" about what's going on the better time they have. I personally now enjoy just jumping on a boat with another mate aboard and letting someone else take on the pit duties if they are able, but 15 years ago that was another story.
As an example, we had a group who had been fishing with us for seven years, twice, maybe three times a year. They' come down from Ashville spend the weekend in CB and go fishing. After the second year, I'd give these guys 1/2 the boat, that's 5 lines to run and I'd work the other half. They brought all their own witches, leaders, hooks ect., we'd provide the boat and the rods. We had bets that if their side caught more fish, the cleaning fee was free. Needless to say, I never lost that bet, thank God, but came close a couple of times. It was said that they came to our boat because they actually got to "FISH" and not just crank. Some of their baits didn't swim perfectly which I pointed out but they didn't care, and neither did some fish. They were doing what they paid to do, have a good time.
Since I left the charter bizz, they no longer come down to fish the boat I worked on because the new crew went back to the "charter" way of doing things, just letting them crank. I've been asked by my replacement about my "teaching" the fairs hands on stuff but the captain no longer allows them to get involved, and has lost business because of it.
There's a bit of difference in showing someone a good time for return business and an ego about who kills the most in the end, which is what alot of guys are about. For me, show me a good time and I'll be back. If we catch fish, GREAT, if not, oh well, at least I had a good time.
Remember also....YOU were a "noobs" once. _________________ Make something idiot proof, and they build a better idiot
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:09 am Post subject:
I use ball bearing swivels and let my dead cigars spin but I do try to straighten the baits as much as possible. The first time my Dad went trolling with me he grabbed a bait out of the box that was bent 90 degrees. When I looked back the bait looked like a prop on top of the water. I started telling him that I didn't think it would get bit and as I was saying it we saw the fish come out of the water to get it. Since then I haven't worried about it much. _________________ Tommy Stewart
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Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 168 Location: Wilmington
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject:
tunatamer4 wrote:
finstinct wrote:
But letting noobs rig trolling baits is not usually in my scope of reality unless there's a really good bite on... I spend too much time thinking about going fishing to not put my best possible effort out when we finally get on the water"
finsticnt-
If you reread what I said about teaching guys to bait, it is in case of the hot bite. Some guys get the "how to" down and some just don't. Another thing you have to realize is most of the people who charter a boat don't get to fish as much as others. If guys want to spend that kind of money to go out and have a mate bring the rod to them when a fish is hooked just so they can crank the handle, great for them. IMO, the more a group of guys is involved and "schooled" about what's going on the better time they have. I personally now enjoy just jumping on a boat with another mate aboard and letting someone else take on the pit duties if they are able, but 15 years ago that was another story.
As an example, we had a group who had been fishing with us for seven years, twice, maybe three times a year. They' come down from Ashville spend the weekend in CB and go fishing. After the second year, I'd give these guys 1/2 the boat, that's 5 lines to run and I'd work the other half. They brought all their own witches, leaders, hooks ect., we'd provide the boat and the rods. We had bets that if their side caught more fish, the cleaning fee was free. Needless to say, I never lost that bet, thank God, but came close a couple of times. It was said that they came to our boat because they actually got to "FISH" and not just crank. Some of their baits didn't swim perfectly which I pointed out but they didn't care, and neither did some fish. They were doing what they paid to do, have a good time.
Since I left the charter bizz, they no longer come down to fish the boat I worked on because the new crew went back to the "charter" way of doing things, just letting them crank. I've been asked by my replacement about my "teaching" the fairs hands on stuff but the captain no longer allows them to get involved, and has lost business because of it.
There's a bit of difference in showing someone a good time for return business and an ego about who kills the most in the end, which is what alot of guys are about. For me, show me a good time and I'll be back. If we catch fish, GREAT, if not, oh well, at least I had a good time.
Remember also....YOU were a "noobs" once.
Oh my gosh....I'm still a freakin noobs. LOL
I didn't mean to come across as arrogant in regard to this at all... I appreciate the feedback though... To clarify, I take the time to show anyone who is around how to do something if they are even slightly interested. I would encourage and welcome someone to step up sometime and try to rig some baits but I'm talking really new to fishing noobs. I have an awesome fishing buddy, he owns/drives the boat and I rig the baits and try to help everyone get that fish. I like to treat the guests like customers, rigging, baiting, gaffing, untangling, untangling, untangling... I even yell once and a while for the ultimate charter-like experience! LOL
I take pride in someone having a good time, I realize I'm REALLY into it, and hope that I can pass along some of the love, I guess. Like I said earlier... It how I was treated when I was younger.
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